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aron searle · Aug 24, 2005, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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It's not fair to force people who are looking to PvE to PvP just to get to PvE areas. PvPers are already complaining about how they have to grind PvE to unlock essential skills, runes, and mods for PvP. So why break the system even more and piss off the other half of the players?

Im sorry but i think HALF of the players is just a tad exageration.

As i said you have to win one fight to get through.

As it is you either win HOW? many fights or you just hang around and wait.

Someone said about tokens, this is a way you can get around the fight. If you really dont like PVP you can buy a token of a PVP'r ?

This way you can either fight or pay?

I know that some people really dont like PVP, but from the people ive spoken to in the game it seems most PVE'rs i speak to dont hate it but just havnt got into it and would be willing to try. So before someone says this will annoy half the game population provide me some figures to back up your argument.

Weezer_Blue · Aug 24, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by aron searle

10 wins no maybe 5, im mainly a pve'r i just woulndt bother with that.

Why do I find that ironic?

Kampfkeks · Aug 24, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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In reference to aron

So do you. Provide us some figures to back up your argument.
No, this is most assuredly a bad idea.
I respect the PVPers saying they don't want to do PVE. That is totally fine with me. They shouldn't be forced and most of the PVErs don't care about it neither. But it seems a popular disease amongst PVPers to force the PVE Folks into PVP.

Look, you don't want to do all the unlocking grind? Something other folks really do like? Don't force YOUR way of playing upon them as you don't want theirs forced upon you.

So basically, yes this is one of the most worst ideas i've ever read. The favor system has several flaws which can be named as "Encouraging Racism" or "Realm Unbalance" or "FOTM Natures Renewal". But it is by far superior to forcing every PVE person into PVP. And the one argument to stop it all: Would you really want to hit the PVP Battle with your typical Underworld Skillsetup? Holy shit, you won't make it past the first party.

And about the tokens... why should i when it is fine the way it is? Why exactly should i pay for that? Especially as you can be sure that the PVPers will jack the prices up into dreamlands. Hey it would be a high demand for those tokens. A REAL high demand. I'm quite sure those would sell for at least 40 plat each, really fast.

RotteN · Aug 24, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by aron searle

Ok, you could apply this to the FOW & UW or another new area in the game if you like it how it is.

The idea is that you gather together your team of 8 then enter an arena against another 8, and the winners get to go on through to the special PVE area.

Discuss?

go to tombs, get to HoH, win it 5 times, lose, go to ToA, get to your special pve area

it's more than 1 fight, ok, and it'll most likely be a lot harder too, but the rewards are better

aron searle · Aug 24, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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10 wins no maybe 5, im mainly a pve'r i just woulndt bother with that.

Why do I find that ironic?

I dont know why do you? try reading the whole post before flaming me.

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So do you. Provide us some figures to back up your argument.

I dont have any figures, but then i wasnt the one who said this would annoy half the game population.

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They shouldn't be forced and most of the PVErs don't care about it neither

Again how do you know this?

Please people i dont want statements from a few people speaking for the whole community saying how nearly ALL pvers dont like pvp, so far there have been a few replies saying i like and a few i dont like.

You could be right, but we dont know for certian. Lets let more people post before you make such an all knowing post.

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Look, you don't want to do all the unlocking grind? Something other folks really do like?

WTF where did you read that?

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So basically, yes this is one of the most worst ideas i've ever read.

this is where is stopped reading your post. If you want me to take you seriosly dont say crap like this.

Kampfkeks · Aug 24, 2005, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Well and that exactly your problem. You did not read my post either. I asked where YOUR numbers are coming from as you act like "know it all" here :P
Yes, i read your post and i am sorry i do not have the arrogance to ignore another persons post because it is not backing up my opinion. Sorry again pal, won't change that hough :P

I brought the unlocking thing because it is a very common thing amongst PVPers that some don't like and judging by the amounts of people complaining about it in the game and on the several boards... there are quite some.

aron searle · Aug 24, 2005, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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Well and that exactly your problem. You did not read my post either. I asked where YOUR numbers are coming from as you act like "know it all" here :P

What are you on about, where have i said i know 100% that people would like this?

Somebody said it would piss of half the players, I said prove it (edited version).

i then said

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You could be right, but we dont know for certian. Lets let more people post before you make such an all knowing post.

so please the only time ive acted as a "know it all" is now

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I brought the unlocking thing because it is a very common thing amongst PVPers that some don't like and judging by the amounts of people complaining about it in the game and on the several boards... there are quite some.

Ok, but i still dont get the relevance of this point. No im not being awkward im just not getting you.

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And about the tokens... why should i when it is fine the way it is? Why exactly should i pay for that? Especially as you can be sure that the PVPers will jack the prices up into dreamlands. Hey it would be a high demand for those tokens. A REAL high demand. I'm quite sure those would sell for at least 40 plat each, really fast.

fine the way it is, then why are there so many posts winging about it.

The cost issue is a good point, i can see a few ways to beat inflation tell me what you think?

1. all 8 team members get a token, making them less silly money valuable as they are more common.
2. a token trader who holds in stock only the tokens he is given and sells at a capped price. Yes there will be some people who hoard them, but there will be some people who will just want to sell them.

aron searle · Aug 24, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I am not a PVPer trying to force you to PVP.

Dargull thank you (no seriosly) this is what i want people saying if they hate or love it BUT not speaking for everybody else.

You hate PVP and would not do it, what i am trying to establish is how many poeple feel like this. I only have my own experiance to go by, most people i meet are like me which is.....

I am mainly a PVE'r but do SOME (stress some) pvp, Its not really my main thing but i do enjoy it now and again.

For everyone i will pull together all the ideas everyone has mentioned as follows

8v8 the winner goes through to x area

Or 8v8 and you get tokens which allow you passage. to keep the token prices sensible these are my suggestions.

1. all 8 team members get a token, making them less silly money valuable as they are more common.
2. a token trader who holds in stock only the tokens he is given and sells at a capped price. Yes there will be some people who hoard them, but there will be some people who will just want to sell them.

Another idea that occoured to me is a different kind of PVP

Imagian 2 teams of 8 on the same map and starting at opposite ends.

The first team to reach a flag? in the middle wins.

Inbetween the map and the players are big ugly monsters

This way you get to fight PVE style but at the same time with a bit of competion.

(Edit) this area would have to be a small one say 5-8 minutes MAX to get through.

Please feel free to make suggestions.

Xanatos786 · Aug 25, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

That last idea is actually pretty good, it could be quite interesting...

Elfie · Aug 25, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Well,
I think it so wrong. Many people from Europe area are going to American district just becos they want to go to UW and FoW. This includes many of my friends. So now when Euro has favor I dont even have friends to go with. So I have to go there with random groups and that useally is not good. Now my friends are asking me to join them to American district. They said that they will not come back till they change it somehow.
So really I would appreciate much if this thing would be changed.

aron searle · Aug 25, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

I asked peeps who would like both PVE & PVP and who would like just PVE, here are the results so far. This is a count from this thread and the one linked below.

like both = 13 inc me
like mainly pve or balance isssues (spirit spamming ect) put u off pvp = 5
PVE only = 10

not tried or not sure about pvp (or im not sure from your post) = 5

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=51081&page=2

Too soon to tell but the balance beetween people who like both or just pve is starting to even out.

Shoot away.